What an absolutely brain dead argument made by Disney here. One of the biggest reasons why I treasure animation so much is because it teaches children lessons that their parents may overlook, or choose not to teach them for immoral reasons. The Owl House was huge because it was really the first cartoon to show a main protagonist in a happy gay relationship. I loved that show and I thought Disney might have actually turned a new leaf. But no. Disney cancelled that show, then there's the news from Devil Dinosaur and now this...Disney has officially chosen a side. A side of exclusion. Trans people aren't for children, apparently. What a damn shame.
1 month ago | 418
If the plot is anything to go off of (each kid gets a centered episode) then it's going to be blatant who was left out. That's not just hiding it, it's obvious exclusion.
1 month ago | 147
"Discuss on their own terms and timeline" meanwhile in my childhood I watched all the toys in toy story be abandoned by their owner and almost incinerated which actually traumatized me but yeah Trans people are too much for kids to handle at a young age. Disney can ch*ke.
1 month ago | 87
If it’s a co-ed team why would having a trans person be an issue? A co-ed team should be the most welcoming to a trans kid
1 month ago (edited) | 202
You know what this reminds me of? 15-20 years ago, all the gay plotlines and stories being pulled, or not allowed because "family friendly prime time". I will cite an example. Disclaimer: I use this particular example because I cared the most about them, and they are a recent and poignant example: Garak and Bashir from Star Trek. The writers confirmed Garak as gay, Andy Robinson played him that first time as sexually absolutely interested in Bashir (and was told to remove that particular nuance), there was even supposed to be a coming out in a later episode (The Wire), which also got pulled, the novely confirm Garak as bisexual and living in a commited relationship with a man on Cardassia. The actors read fanfiction about them being married during covid. The family friendly primetime show (nevermind the war plotline, the nazi and the genocide allegory, the complex religious themes, political scheming, moral greyness, the fact they managed to pull off right doesn't equal good) just let them and their relationship fade into nothing. Gave them female characters with half the chemistry and problematic age gaps. Modern Trek wouldn't go anywhere near the topic. Guess what? 2024 and in the newest episode of Lower Decks they're happily married. My point being, time will come. No matter how these jackasses fight it, sooner or later the wave of out outrage, criticism and disappointment will break through these barriers of bigotry and narrowmindedness that they errected. It hurts now and we all should be - MUST be - screaming, but I know one thing with absolute certainty: They won't succeed. There's no stopping progress. You can only fight it, or embrace it but you can't stop it. TL;DR They're bigots, this happened before, if we keep fighting we'll see better days. Don't let these douchebags dishearten you.
1 month ago | 40
You can't have it both ways, Disney. Commit to a side or lose both.
1 month ago | 215
The amount of transphobia in this country sends chills down my spine.
1 month ago | 40
It's always been a push and pull with Disney when it comes to this kind of representation. So I'm not surprised about this. I'm sure there are certain parents out there that wanna talk to their kids about trans people on "their own terms and timeline", but they don't seem to realize how impractical that is, and how it's out of their control. Trans people are part of this society whether they like it or not. These certain parents and their kids might unexpectedly meet a trans person at a park or a restaurant, so what are these parents gonna do when that happens? And let's be honest here, most parents hardly ever talk to their kids about trans people. Either because they don't care, or they wanna keep their kids in a bubble or influence them to be against this. Now the question is, are any big celebrities with large followings gonna speak up about this, or are they gonna stay quiet? Is Disney gonna face a massive amount of backlash over this, or what? We'll see.
1 month ago | 56
Trans people existing is only controversial to people who think you can "catch it" by hearing about it instead of what actually happens (trans or questioning kids understand each other better which is, you know, a good outcome). Like, seriously. These convenient anti-trans parents probably hear and read more about transness than anyone yet none of them are catching it so I guess their fears are actually based on nothing.
1 month ago | 21
It's a bad faith argument. They just don't want to deal with backlash.
1 month ago | 39
Boooooooooo! We exist why can’t we just be considered normal and not something that needs to be ‘discussed by parents on their own timeline’ we don’t have discussions about cis or het people why do we see the need to for LGBTQIA+ I just want to exist in peace
1 month ago | 105
This is the same argument made for every other minority that entered into the "normal" realm of children's television. I would love for my transgender daughter to be able to watch a show that showed her that other kids like her exist! Why is it taking our country and these companies so long to realize that representation matters!
1 month ago | 59
It's so frustrating too because they just had those little shorts with Baymaxx that had a trans guy (briefly) but it wasn't a big deal. He just also used menstrual products. Some losers got mad, but in the end, kids really enjoy those shorts and the parents complaining moved onto something else, because they don't actually care except for feigning outrage. Disney bending the knee to fascists is disgusting/embarrassing. (Especially since the people who give them the most money are queer disney adults).
1 month ago | 18
The problem is that for too many parents the timeline they want to discuss certain topics on is never. The fact of the matter is life can't just wait forever and it's better for kids to learn about things in a safe nurturing environment first. Heck, not just learn about them, but contextualize and understand them. I grew up in a nominally progressive household. I've known trans people existed for as far back as I can remember, but I never really had any frame of reference for what that actually looked like because I didn't know any trans people and baring that wasn't really aware of any on television either. It was sorta of like how knowing about the existence of foreign countries without having ever visited one makes it all a bit of an abstraction that doesn't feel entirely real. It wasn't until I was teenager, staying up all alone at night to searching for the kinds of things teenagers search for to entertain those new urges most of us start getting as teenagers when I got my first significant exposure to anything even remotely trans in the form of explicit artwork... artwork which I always found very appealing and routinely sought out more of to fulfil some of my wildest fantasies. For many years after, that kind of exposure was my only context, so I just assumed it was all only a fetish, a fetish I had to keep secret even form my nominally progressive family for fear I might be judged some kind of disrespectful freak. Eventually I met someone, a very special friend who came out to me as trans, and with her help I finally started exploring what that could mean in a less explicit and more mundane context. I'm still trying to figure out what I actually am. The "fetish" might still be there, but I think maybe there's more to it also. Maybe not so far as me also being trans, but maybe at least some kind of fluid or nonbinary. Long story short, I'd almost certainly be in a better place today if I'd had a more balanced exposure to these concepts from a younger age. I'm so jealous I never got the chance to grow up with some of the shows we have these days which explore gender and other related issues in a kid friendly way, and so it really does offend me so deeply to see Disney backing off from making more of them.
1 month ago (edited) | 8
"Discuss on their own terms and timeline" ok so is all romance being banned then Disney cause maybe i don't want my kid exposed to romance until they are ready. Bullshit argument its exclusion based on hate.
1 month ago | 14
By this logic, Sesame Street should be stopped as well, so that parents can tell their kids about the letter A 'on their own terms and timeline.' Maybe schools should stop teaching multiplication so that parents can address it 'on their own terms and timeline?' See why this argument falls apart, Disney? Education through representation is something we should be advocating for, because it is education in a way that is easily accessible, sparks curiosity, and fills in gaps that some parents are not able/willing to fill.
1 month ago | 9
Your tagline made me realise how Limp Bizkit already got it.
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Don't relegate trans people to a Very Special Episode. We exist everywhere
1 month ago | 79
It makes me so sad that people like me are so hated
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Council of Geeks
Ladies, Fellas, and the People Who Don't Give a F***, we officially have a pattern! Way to go Disney, you absolute tools.
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